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HB3019
Fire and Codes Inspections of Tutorials and Cooperatives
Industrial Impact sub-committee hearing
2008-03-26

On this page you'll find links to YouTube video of the actual hearing. The bill had been postponed from the previous week at the request of THEA since HB2795 was taking the full attention of homeschoolers. However, for reasons unknown to Rep. Campfield THEA didn't appear at this hearing. I attended and was the only homeschool representative there. Bobbie Patray, a long time homeschool friend and advocate was also in attendance.

 6:26 minutes Part 1 of 3  
Direct link to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rapXebGFMo

Rep. Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville) introduces the bill and the amendment. The amendment is missing from the committee packet but they decide, after their attorney assures them it's a technical correction, to go ahead and discuss the bill.

 

 

6:18 minutes Part 2 of 3
Direct link to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNI8NW_4vaU

Rep. Charles Sargent (R-Franklin) is concerned that this might remove the authority of the local fire marshal, code and planning commissions. He speaks of  Otter Creek Church of Christ's "homeschool daycare center".

Rep. Curry Todd (R-Memphis) stated the committee had already done a similar bill for the Mennonites. "If we can help homeschoolers in this bill then we need to do that."

Rep. David Shepard (D-Dickson) as chair explains the bill will be held for one week to allow the members to review it since the amendment wasn't available for review. However, the committee does vote on the amendment and it passes unanimously. So now the bill in the amended form is discussed.

 Rep. Charles Curtiss (D-Sparta)  asks if the bill is limited for number of students stating the Mennonites was a one room school. "Some churches can hold a thousand students some 250 students"  We're going to have to consider this." "If we're talking hundreds of students or large numbers of students I think we may be crossing the line."

 Rep. Joe McCord (R-Maryville) suggests that perhaps an exemption if the facility doesn't charge rent. Do they charge rent? Rep. Campfield says it's possible, how do you define rent. McCord asks if there is a homeschool representative available. Rep. Campfield suggests Kay Brooks of TnHomeEd who is sitting in the first row. McCord says we don't need to do that. This bill we be here next week. 

 Rep. Richard Montgomery (R-Sevierville) asks if there is a homeschool representative available. Rep. Campfield again suggests Kay Brooks and Montgomery asks if the committee can go out of session so he can ask her a question.

 

8:20 minutes Part 3 of 3  

Direct link to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbLlx7C2ZU8

TnHomeEd.com Founder Kay Brooks, who didn't expect to testify at this hearing, steps up and is asked by Rep. Montgomery what her experience has been with these tutorials and how many students might be involved. Brooks states it can vary. That this issue has been discussed for several years. She notes the meeting in March of 2007 by Rep. Donna Rowland and Rep. Mike Bell with members of the Fire Marshal's office. These are not like a school with a couple of hundred students and a couple of dozen faculty. Some of these groups had been meeting for quite some time and suddenly this has become an issue. She mentioned that while finding a hall in larger cities was easy in smaller communities the church is the only option.

Rep. Curtis is still looking for the largest number of students that may be involved. Brooks responds that it varies from semester to semester and emphasizes that the parents are an integral part of these, knowledgeable about the facility and available to care for their children in an emergency. Curtis suggests that a way to be consistent (with the Mennonite bill previously) is to have a ratio between adults and students such as 1 to 10 or 1 to 5. Brooks suggests that some parents would ask what's the difference between that (cooperatives) and a consider that Sylvan Learning Center. Curtis asks if they meet education codes. Brooks responds no.

 Rep. John DeBerry (D-Memphis) asks if the premise of the bill that the facility would have to meet the use and occupancy issued. Campfield responds yes. DeBerry notes Campfield mentioned homes and asks "A personal home?". Campfield responds yes.

 Both Rep. Richard Montgomery (R-Sevierville) and Rep. David Shepard (D-Dickson) recap. Chairman Shepard reminds folks that it wasn't Campfield's fault the bill is being postponed until next week.

 

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